tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343121414374758615.post1404427448220466682..comments2024-02-21T02:08:32.167-08:00Comments on Sylvancreature: Lost in Translation and othersNeilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04607579724927418151noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343121414374758615.post-42093679580539808672009-02-24T17:32:00.000-08:002009-02-24T17:32:00.000-08:00Ah.... I was wondering if someone would be able to...Ah.... I was wondering if someone would be able to find the counterpoint to the trophy wife... I figured there had to be an answer... I just didn't know which it would be... very good eye there Neil.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for sharing all of your thoughts. Very insightful as usual. And this discussion of humility and pride is very thought provoking.<BR/>You are an inspiring man!Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00245114689356057577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343121414374758615.post-86381477458649496022009-02-23T00:08:00.000-08:002009-02-23T00:08:00.000-08:00Yes!!!! But I think in the case of the proud man w...Yes!!!! <BR/>But I think in the case of the proud man what he loves is what the trophy wife does to the thing he loves ie himself - his appearance, his reputation, his self-esteem.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607579724927418151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343121414374758615.post-50078852250910237102009-02-21T10:40:00.000-08:002009-02-21T10:40:00.000-08:00Interesting point, but I have to make a slight arg...Interesting point, but I have to make a slight argument (not for the purposes of being contentious, but as fuel for further contemplation):<BR/><BR/>I have seen people be proud of things they did not love (The vain man being proud of his trophy wife).<BR/><BR/>And I have seen a LOT of people be embarrassed about something they love (the Broadway play "Equus" would be a case in point.)<BR/><BR/>But I think you're right, that we shouldn't look at pride and humility as opposites, as we shouldn't any emotive pair (hate and love, happy and sad, worry and joy). I tend to think of them as colors on the wheel of emotion, changing forms as we move from blue to green to yellow. And as you move toward the center, you can see how the colors blend--how love colors pride or humility, how hate shades shame and despair.<BR/><BR/>My head hurts again, but this time it's the meds.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10930927272825092339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343121414374758615.post-47971786075479623642009-02-19T20:24:00.000-08:002009-02-19T20:24:00.000-08:00Well after all my talk about not finishing now you...Well after all my talk about not finishing now you've got me wanting too :)<BR/><BR/>Pride and humility are linked I think - but not directly - not opposites – no I think they are coupled together by something much stronger, larger and more powerful than either. I don't think pride is what spurs us on when we are humbled. Hang with me here - no pride is not a cause – I think it is a result, an effect of this greater thing. The same with humility, humility is not a cause, an effect rather of this more powerful thing. Now I am venturing into areas beyond my knowledge and understanding – you are hearing me think aloud, so please bear with me as I muddle thru this - for I see glimpses of this other idea, this thing which I know so little about, and understand even less.<BR/><BR/>I’ve never seen anyone be proud of something or someone that they did not love. In fact the greater the love the stronger the pride. <BR/><BR/>I’ve never seen anyone humbled about some part of themselves that they did not treasure. I’ve never seen anyone embarrassed about anything that they did love.<BR/><BR/>Take love out of the equation and pride and humility become causeless. Leave it in and all of the sudden they make sense – sometimes not the best sense – I’m not saying that this love is perfect and selfless – it may be a twisted self-absorbed love, you can tell when it is this way by the fruit it bears. Look at the pride it can spawns, look at the false humility it may exude. Examine the fruit to see the health of the plant.<BR/><BR/>So that’s my take – pride and humility not two opposites that counteract each other, not two driving forces that need to be balanced, not two ideas that define each other. But two expressions of something larger, something older, and something deeper than either, something that apart from which they are meaningless.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607579724927418151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4343121414374758615.post-89538210075051863252009-02-19T10:03:00.000-08:002009-02-19T10:03:00.000-08:00The dualists out there would say that without prid...The dualists out there would say that without pride, you could not know humility, that pride is the light that illuminates humility, in the same way that without evil we would not recognise good, without the dark we would not understand the light.<BR/><BR/>Ouch. Deep thinking. Head hurt.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10930927272825092339noreply@blogger.com